Exclusive interview with America's Mayor: Rudy Giuliani - An uncensored and hard hitting commentary of the times
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Regardless of your politics, you must admit Mayor Rudy Giuliani was accountable for his actions. He turned New York City into the safest large city in the world. His leadership in the aftermath of the attacks on 9/11 was unmatched because he understood the leadership rule of accountability.
Meanwhile, in our current American cities, crime is skyrocketing, including New York City, where De Blasio's leadership has been a cataclysmic failure to the point Manhattan is becoming unrecognizable. Mayor Giuliani restored safety and security to New York City, Mayor Bloomberg continued it, and Mayor De Blasio destroyed it. But New York City is not an anomaly.
De Blasio and other failed leaders like Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan and Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, to name a few, are seemingly not accountable for anything and are quick to place blame on others. These failed so-called leaders turn a blind eye on all the violence, including the increased assaults on cops, while claiming to act in pursuit of justice. Imagine if these leaders were like Mayor Giuliani and were accountable for their successes and failures under their watch.
Accountability will save America.
The Blue Magazine: So let's talk a little bit about our current climate for law enforcement. Police stations are being overrun by violent criminals with the police actually retreating. In many cities, we see a lot of de-policing because the politicians don't have the police officers’ backs and they know that they're one second away from being fired or even thrown in jail. So, in the long view, what does this sort of tolerance of crime mean for law enforcement's ability to police in the future for our communities?
Giuliani: What’s going on now is disastrous for law enforcement. It’s the worst I've ever seen. Nothing compares to what's happening right now and I don't think that many of the people who either aren’t upset about it or support it realize the damage they're doing — not just to police and law enforcement but also to society. This is sending a message of lawlessness. And since we are now in the internet, television internet age, I’ll give you an example, when the little boy who is the mayor of Minneapolis, I forget his name, he looks like he's about 12 years old and acts like he's about six, and when he let the rioters take over the precinct and ordered the police officers to run out, I think that blew the whole thing. I think the people that are inclined to take a protest and turn it into a riot (and are professionals at it trained to do that by Marxists), when they saw that they said, OK, this is the opportunity we've been waiting for, we've been training for this for three or four years, we tried to turn a couple of these others into massive riots, if every other police organization acts like Minneapolis, then we can just run right over them, boom.
Within days, they were in every city, within days they were doing coordinated riots… They came right up Madison Avenue, ripped out maybe, one or two stores a block and then a little further downtown, they took as much as two million dollars in Rolexes. So, this is not your rioter of the ‘60s, the ‘70s. The basic rioter now is a middle-class, upper middle-class, black or white. In some cases, more whites than blacks. In New York, everyone that I've seen firsthand were either equal white and black or if anything, more white than black. These are people that are making a political point. They hate America. They want to destroy America. They want to replace it with a socialist oligarchy dictatorship.
Black Lives Matter is not some kind of civil rights group and it's being treated that way. They are, to the American big businessman, they look like a civil rights group and the typical Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton shakedown operation, give me two million and you'll be safe. Look at all the money they got from all the big companies. Look at the commissioner of football bending his knee. The only thing I could say to my good friends in the law enforcement who I love… always follow who… they're not just after you, they're after us. They're after us, meaning they’re after our families. They don't want us to have nuclear families. They think it's much better if the wife is out working and the kid is in home care. What right is it theirs to decide that? That’s what socialist government does. They believe they have to get reparations. Every black is going to get money for the rest of his life, for no reason, other than being black, doesn't even have to have a slave background just gets money, and everybody that's not black has to pay, even though you had nothing to do with slavery. So, they’re going to get supported for the rest of their lives. Nobody else is. Now you've already kind of bastardized socialism into what always happens. Some people are more socialist than others, meaning socialism raises more rich people than capitalism except they never quite raise middle class people because they suck the blood out of the poor. Then, they want to do away with our private schools. No more Catholic schools. No more Jewish schools. No more… no more private schools for the poor or the rich. They want to have government ownership of property so they can pass it around to whoever they want to have it. They want to do away with police, so everybody thinks they just heard disbanding the police. It was new, spontaneous. They’ve been writing about this for five years, how they're going to disband the police. They even have alternatives. They’re going to appoint their own people, like the kinds who run around the autonomous zone with AK-47s and appoint goons. It’ll be like the mafia, control some place, and that’s just a little bit of it. We’re in for a big fight.
So, what do you do if you’re mayor now with these unruly mobs and all this violence? de Blasio's not doing anything.
I feel bad that I wasn’t mayor because I thought if in New York and I didn't give up the precinct and I drove them back decisively, it might have given courage to other mayors, not the worst Democrats but a lot of other mayors and police commissioners would have realized, hey, if we’re supported in New York, you know, we could always be supported elsewhere, and we'd be giving the president some backing and somebody he can point to say, hey you know, a mayor can do it.
I reduced crime in New York between 60 and 65 percent and homicides 60% and I did it when nobody thought I could. I took New York City from the most dangerous large city in America to the safest large city in four years, and we got results right away, even though we didn’t get crime down right away. We got results to build morale and I think we sparked other cities doing it. We challenged them to do it and we got a nice period of time of less crime.
Seems to me that these Democrats and Socialists because they want some votes so badly, I mean they want to sell us out, any number of crimes is OK, and then they don't care. Black Lives Matter is the phoniest organization. You can imagine right, right in its title. Look at all these black children that have been killed this weekend, a three-year-old, a nine-year-old, they don’t say anything about it. They don't care about about Brandon Hendricks life. Brandon Hendricks was a star basketball player. He got killed in the Bronx in crossfire. He was going on to St. John’s to play basketball.
Black Lives Matter doesn't give a damn about him. They don't care because… there are seven, eight thousand deaths like that every year of black people killing other black people and they won’t do a darn thing about it. They have 7,500 shootings of blacks by other blacks that lead to death and all they concentrate on are the police officers. Suppose you solve that problem, but you don’t solve the other one.
I think the easiest way to describe Black Lives Matter and I say this to all my friends anywhere, don’t get fooled. This is an organization that uses violence, that doesn't mind killing, that doesn't care about black people, just the black people they can exploit otherwise, they would do something about blacks being shot by other blacks, and that is not racist. I feel very bad about that. Beyond these feelings of feeling bad about it, when I was mayor, I did something about it and I saved more black lives than any mayor in history. So, I have a right to say that.
What do you think about the progress that Black Lives Matter has made because of the chaos? For them it’s a big accomplishment.
It’s exactly the same way Communists made progress in Russia, the chaos in Russia right at the turn of the century. Exactly the way the Nazis made progress, they bankrupted the economy, ruined the economy, tore down statues, by the way. One of the leaders of Black Lives Matter is a woman named Patrice Cullors. Patrice Cullors is quoted as, don't know if she wants this out now but about five years ago, very proudly saying that she is a very, very well trained, that she’s been taught Marxist tactics, Marxist philosophy, and they’re going to follow it. They’re following it. The theory of Marxism in taking over a society and destroying it by developing hatred for that country and getting the people of the country to hate the country.
How effective do you think this strategy of lawlessness, violence, and uproar, will be in terms of the president winning or losing the election?
Well, I think, people say, what can we do about it. Got a mayor like de Blasio, he’s in office, virtually, he invites crime. Look, he creates crime. I‘ve never heard of a mayor creating crime, he does it. He let 8,000 people out of jail. Drug dealers are violent criminals. They carry guns and they shoot. That’s part of the business. He released rapists. He released a guy and four days later, another rape. So, he has created some of the crime, plus the bail laws create crime. Then, he did away with our best undercover unit. That was the single, biggest contributor to reducing gun violence. Since the day they've left, gun violence has gone up 38 percent. We've had two days since they left and we had a shooting every 24 hours and each weekend we get closer to Chicago. It's like he wants to overtake Chicago in shootings. This weekend, we had 68, they had 80. We used to have like eight on a weekend. Broke 68 shootings on a weekend. And Chicago has come down from 100 to 80. I expect in the next two weeks, we’re going to match Chicago and de Blasio will probably have a party. It almost seems like he's doing it deliberately.
Why do you think people don't see what you see?
Because they are brainwashed by the left-wing media. The New York Times began a curriculum two years ago, rewriting our history. It’s written all from the point of view of how bad we are because we were slaveholders… I mean Columbus, just look. You want to get a key into that, look at the statues they took down and the symbolism of them, not just the vandalism; the symbolism is worse. They took down the discoverer of this country, at least the acknowledged discoverer of this country, Columbus, bad man, very bad man. They took down the man who won the war for independence, of our first president and had to self-sacrifice not to take a third term to become a dictator or a king. ..., but he was a bad guy… bad guy, ripped down the statue. Jefferson is the author of our freedom. He wrote the most brilliant document on human rights ever written that has probably helped to free people all over the world, bad man, tear his statue down. Now Jackson, tear his statue down. Jefferson got us Louisiana. Jackson won a war. And of all things, Abraham Lincoln, the great emancipator and the guy who fought and died for preserving our union. They’re basically saying, you don't have any heroes, America…You were founded by an evil man. You had a first president who was an evil man. The guy who wrote your founding document was an evil man. Even the man who emancipated us, we don’t owe him anything. He was an evil man. And, then they go on to criticize everything in our society. They say our president is a Nazi, a racist, a, I don’t what else he is, he’s an evil man. And all of us are… we’re evil white people; they even refer to us as evil white people. So, this is a movement that’s based on hatred. It's not just emotional hatred, it’s hatred in the United States so that our young people will get separated from the idea of the United States and then they’d be willing to accept a much better alternative, socialism. So, you degrade our flag, you degrade our national anthem. I mean, these are the things that hold the country together. It's all bull, this whole thing. You’re a great land.
Does this help or hurt Biden?
It helps him with the left-wing people. It helps him with the real weak ones who are willing to bend their knee and they all know I'm right, but they pretend because they're afraid. But I think it hurts him in that big vast majority of people that don't talk. There are many Americans in their home right now saying what the hell is going on, what, they’re taking over police precincts, they’re spitting at police, they’re looting stores and the cops are told to stand down, they’re going to do away with the police department and replace them with health care workers. They want to come and take my money and give it to a black person for slavery and the black person has no history of slavery, he came from Jamaica, and my family came from Slovenia 30 years ago, but I had nothing to do with slavery. What am I paying for? A lot of bad things happened to me too, nobody's paying me. I think that's what the average, intelligent common-sense view of this is. Our media is so bad. It's so left. It's almost like Pravda was to the Soviet Union. They print whatever the left-wing says and then they come up with justifications for it.
Have you ever seen politics this evil? They weaponize everything, including the seriousness of sex assault allegations against adversaries.
What I’ve seen in the last two years is pure evil, from the day I started representing President Trump as his lawyer to this day, it’s almost a revelation today, something I couldn't believe has happened. I couldn't believe it would happen in America. And I never believed I’d see a day in America in which a major city would disband the police department. I just didn’t think our people would be crazy enough or insane enough or like the whole city was on drugs. I've never seen it this evil.
I've never seen politicians like these Democrats want to accomplish something so bad. They want to accomplish two things and the second even more than the first. They want power. Trump stands in the way of power. Also, Trump is the first Republican to stand up to this big, phony, like the speech he gave at Mount Rushmore. I thought that was a beautiful defense of America, beautiful defense of let us preserve the American way of life. Every single thing he said is true about the violent tendencies of BLM, Antifa, about the aims they have. The New York Times knows that. They can read what I read, and then they say it was the worst speech he ever gave. It was racist. Now, a lot of people don't read the speech. They read the Times and they'll say, oh, Trump's a racist. People we get are the people that go beyond the Times. If we can get you beyond the Times, we’re probably going to get you to vote for Trump because almost every story in the Times now is tinged with this terrible bias condition, so desperate, they print things that are actually untrue now. They used to be more careful. So, I think it's gonna be a difficult campaign. I think the only chance we have is to elect Trump ‘cause he'll do what he says as he did the first time and he really does need a Republican House and Senate to straighten all this out. Even more important, the Democrats need a defeat. The Democrats need to be shown that there are all these American people that we think and believe are sitting in their homes, and find the killing of police officers despicable, that find taking over a police station awful.
What do you say to people today who feel our president is responsible for this because he is the man in charge? Does he have to take any accountability on his watch?
You mean all the riots that are going on?
It’s under his watch.
The riots have nothing to do with the president. The riots have to do with 20 years of this created anger in which they make police brutality the only problem they have and then utilize it. They did it three times under Obama. Nobody thought it was Obama's fault. The difference with Trump is everything is attributed to his fault. I think the only man whose act consistently was the same way under common sense is President Trump, ‘cause no one has the guts enough to actually say what he said at Mount Rushmore. Look at Biden, Biden hasn’t said anything.
The problems are all happening in Democrat-controlled cities. They're not happening in Republican places where he has great influence. You got a couple of cities where the Democratic… 100 years, 70 years, in Baltimore 50 years and in New York City you know how many times we had an increase in crime and rioting is when we had our last Democrat mayor. I mean it’s as if this guy’s out of office for 20 years, we go down to the safest, large city in America, no riots, we get a Democrat and we got two, three riots. This is a function of Democrat left-wing policies that have oppressed black people and have not allowed black people to grow the way they should be allowed to grow, by inflicting on them dependency, inflicting on them all these programs that deteriorate the work ethic. I turned New York around and I just didn’t turn it around through the point of view of crime, I removed 600,000 people from the welfare rolls and put them to work and most of them were minorities. And the reason we kept crime so low is not just policing, it was we had a much better situation like Trump did. Our unemployment went down from 10.5 ... whites benefit from that tremendously, blacks even more. Crime went down, murder went down 65%, 75% of the murderers were black, 75% of the victims were black so figure out who benefited from that, and the black people were made up mostly of good people who were victimized by these thugs and con men.
There are people who believe that President Trump shut the economy down for too long which created a lot of financial ruin in our country. We live in New Jersey. It's a major problem. Do you think he shut it down too long? Do you think he shut it down just enough or should he have never shut it down? And do you think that he's going to shut it down again?
There’s a lot of possibilities. First of all, I think he will never shut it down again because everyone now understands the disease well enough, so it's not necessary to shut down. But, I have to contrast that it is all politics and choices in elections. It's the art of the realistic. If it weren’t for the president, it’d still be shut down because every Democrat wants to keep it going.
The governor of New York, the governor of New Jersey, the governor of California… The governor of Michigan is way out of her mind. She’s got it shut down until September. And every time you listen to Fauci, we’re shut down even longer. First, he embraces baseball, and then we can’t play baseball. Then, he says, first you shouldn't wear masks, now we have to wear masks. Then he tells us two years ago that Hydroxychloroquine is a great, safe drug, been used for 60 years, no problems and all its problems they can control and then when it's recommended as a way to cut off coronavirus, he comes out against it, and now he's in favor of a drug that just, oh by coincidence cost $3,000 more, not that had anything to do with Dr. Fauci’s decision, even though I think he's very embarrassed now that there are now a dozen tests in a row that show that hydroxychloroquine is the most effective treatment for coronavirus if you take it in the first five days. In fact, there are now shortages of supplies because many doctors have bought it up so they can give it to their patients because they were afraid that in some states, they would cut it down. And the only reason they came out against hydroxychloroquine is because the president recommended it. The president recommended it just to say, take a look at it, and the fact is it's the number one treatment ... It’s the number one treatment in France. It’s the number one treatment in China, even. And here in America, in many places, the Democratic governors, in New York for example, Governor Cuomo said you can only get it at a hospital, and actually, that’s the worst place to get it. You’re supposed to take so you don't go to the hospital. So, the way they've politicked with it is terrible. When the president made the decision to shut down, I believe it was the right decision given the facts that we had, and at that time they were predicting a much bigger than terrible, right? They were talking in America even in the millions, what America is going to be 150, 200 thousand, terrible, terrible numbers, but not two million.
The fatality rate now is approaching a tough, but normal disease, down around 1%, and the thing that makes it unnecessary to have to close the economy again is you don't have to close it for young people. Young people are virtually unaffected by it, so if you had left open the schools and just put in careful practices about the young people communicating with their grandparents — not even their parents — their grandparents for some period of time. The fact that you put some emphasis on their grandparents, which they didn't do, your numbers would have been far less. I mean, look at New York, whether it was on purpose or by mistake, they wiped out the old people. It’s like the disease only affects old people, that's true. It only affects old people if they have another disease. So now you have a fairly narrow group of people that need all the resources. Now, you take all the resources and you spread out over everybody that means they are giving less attention to the people who need it and I think that's one of the terrible mistakes we’ve made, but I don't fault anybody for that because I don't think we understood it. I do fault the people who took old people and put them back in nursing homes, and it was like putting a time bomb in the middle of the nursing home.
But they're going to say that at that time, that’s the information they had.
They had the information. We had the information coming out of China that the only people died of this were old people. If they were the ones ... they changed the ages a bit, over 60, over 70, over 75. The truth is anybody over 60 is at risk, but there is a big difference between 60 and 80. So those are the people where all the concentration should be given, and the other people should be allowed to conduct our normal economy and be careful about contact, and we immediately go to a good medicine right away, if in fact, they have the disease. Even with that, 99% of the people survive, including the old people.
General Flynn is now vindicated and many layers of corruption were uncovered at the FBI, how damaging is this to the FBI, and if the president asked you to lead the FBI, would you do it?
Well I don’t know if I would. I’d have to have the discussion with him. I believe we have to separate the damage to the FBI. The field agents I have not seen anyone of them do anything wrong. They do their job and they do it wonderfully. The way they’ve always done it; very professional and very well. But this is the Washington Field Office and a lot of those guys turned into politicians instead of law enforcement officers and not just politicians, but politicians who got carried away with themselves. When you listen to Peter Struck, who is an FBI agent, on the phone how he and his mistress hate Trump, you say to yourself this guy is no longer an FBI agent, he’s a political nut. I’d remove people like him from investigating cases. We take him off the case because first of all it’s not right and second you know it’s going to lead to corruption because he has so much hatred … Comey knew that and he wanted a guy like that investigating Trump and he wanted a guy like that investigating Hillary.
The Democratic Party has become very corrupt. There is only one answer for it; they have to be voted out of office. If they get voted out of office badly, they become practical, they reform themselves, and then people come in and say hey we have to save this place, we have to get rid of these people and we have to act differently.
Are you considering any future runs for political office?
I am not considering running for office again because I have so many good people that I support. I see these great opportunities for them. My sole focus right now is to get Donald Trump re-elected… He’s done a great job in a very short time.
Were you called a racist when you were mayor?
Yes, enough times but not nearly as often as nowadays. I was called a racist when I required people on welfare to work. I decided I had 1.1 million people on welfare and I had to work on that for their good. What’s the use of having kids grow up in families where they have three generations who don’t work? Where do they get their work ethic? Where did you get it? Where did I get it? You get it from growing up in families and neighborhoods, that’s why we are programmed to get up in the morning and go to work and if we don’t have work, we go out and find it. Now suppose you never saw anybody work. Suppose you saw everyone around you getting paid by the government and sometimes double and triple billing them. So I said to myself I have to save the next generation and build a work ethic into the welfare recipients … New York Times went crazy, said I was running a plantation. I went out into the neighborhoods and I told them I love you more and I love you the way I love my son. I wouldn’t just give my son money for the rest of his life and not to work. I moved 500,000 people off welfare to work.
Are you racist?
I wouldn’t even answer that. Actually, I will. I am the opposite of racist. The Black Lives Matter people are racists because they analyze everything through race. Joe Biden saying I am inclined to pick a woman of color is racist, as opposed to saying I am going to pick the best candidate. If you define racism by the way Martin Luther King did, they’re racists…
Every time we mention you as great mayor, some officers from 20 years ago say—
How come I gave them no increases in three years?
Yes they hold that against you.
Oh man they hold that against me… triple zeroes for heroes.
Now is the perfect time to put this to bed. Let’s all close this one. Was it triple zeroes?
Yeah. Three years of nothing but then two years of big raises that made up for it. I had to borrow money from the people who were working for me — they weren’t the only ones. It was the whole city, the whole city except where I was contractually obligated to give a raise. We also laid off 20,000 people and I didn’t lay off any cops. They can’t appreciate the fact that although I love them and they weren’t the number one department with the fire department in my view, that I didn’t have the money. They’re a big part of the budget and if I cut everything else and not them, I wouldn’t have achieved being able to correct the city's imbalance and we all gambled on each other, and I asked the unions to take a chance on me. I said in essence, I’m asking you to loan me the raise you would have gotten for the last three years. I'm gonna turn this city around. By the time I give you that raise, I think they got like 11% in the last two years together, like five and six or something like that and some bonuses. I'm gonna try to turn the city around. I'm gonna have a surplus. If you want to gamble on me, give me the three zeroes, and we'll try, if you make me pay it to you, ‘cause there are some rules I would probably have had to give them some raise like one or two percent. The most the board is going to require me to do is one or two percent. It doesn’t mean very much, but it is gonna mean I’m going to have to pay up, get you one or two every year, I’m not gonna to be able to give you the rest of it. Give me a chance to turn this city around. Give me a chance to bring business in, give me a chance to get the tax to go up and I'll give you a much bigger raise. And you gotta trust me. If you squeeze me just to get 1% and then I’m gonna have to lay off. I’m gonna have to lay off cops, which I don’t want to do. I got tremendous amount of crime. On the other hand, I'm not going to let the state take over the city because we’re bankrupt. So, we had long negotiations and then we agreed. And, when the cops got real angry and the union leadership was in trouble, they want to put the blame all on me because you know; they’re getting elected and reelected. It’s all me. It was my idea. It was an agreed deal.
Do you want to tell them anything now? They still hold it against you.
I can't help it, I mean, but they have to see it that I was fair and impartial mayor. I didn't treat anybody extra special when I had to save the city. I love cops. I think they’re the most important people in our city. I went to every funeral. You know, I didn’t just go to every funeral; I also went every time they were in the hospital. I went to the hospitals because I knew if the mayor went to the hospital you got the better doctor not the worst doctor. I also brought the police surgeon with me to tell me that I got the best doctor not the worst doctor. I tried to do everything else for them, and as soon as we had a surplus, we gave them a big raise.
We know your strength is leadership, but what’s your weakness?
Impatience. I do things too fast sometimes. Sometimes, if I’ve made mistakes, I usually can attribute it to I like to get things over with, I do them too fast, and so I try to have advisors and people around me to slow me down.
Blue suicide is a major issue affecting law enforcement. Could you give a direct message to an officer today who may be suicidal?
Sure. I would say to any officer that’s even contemplating it, just step back and take a little time … You probably have people who love you, people who care about you, also think about how much you harm them and if you have children, the burden for them if you take your life, and that’s going to hurt them for the rest of their lives. The best thing to do is to step back... The fact is you're just gonna make it all that much more worse for your family, for your colleagues, for the other police officers if you take away what God gave you. And believe me, I can tell you that without even knowing you, it is not as bad as you think. It really isn’t. If you just hold up and you wait, you’re gonna get up the next morning and say to yourself, gee, I had that too exaggerated. Just go talk to the person that loves you the most. Get their perspective on it, and I bet you, you've made it worse than it is. But, for the good of other people, just don't do this.
Thank you for that message.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to do it.
